Finn and Maz 1.0

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• 1.0

Here is the Han Solo - Savvy Smuggler variant: swdestinydb.com

You're close with this! A little slow, too few resources, not great power, not getting a whole lot out of the battlefield, but it's a great pairing! Keep at this. Put a little more time in and you'll be on to something with these two!

So my buddy made this up and we went a few rounds. Ya got a lot of work to do. This would probably give a Sarlacc indigestion.

@Sidious``@MiO Comments of this nature aren't constructive. I've played the deck extensively and can say with full confidence that if you are doing very poorly with it, then you are probably playing it wrong. Can you be more specific on the issues you've been having?

@Tybrid First, you need more power behind it. Holdout and X-8 are cute guns but you need a rocket launcher or maybe even Bowcaster if you're that attached to redeploy. With so little health, and no 2nd Chance, you should really aim for dealing 20 damage before round 3.

Support removal is solid, but if you're trying to play fast, it doesn't help. Better off with Electroshock or Hasty Exit to get Infamous Ambush.

Also, it's too expensive to be consistent. Look into Long Con, Truce, or crackdown since you have indirect. Maz's Vault is way too slow for these two.

Also, Scruffy Looking Nerf Herder is a cool scene and an iconic line, but you can find a much better card to replace it like Second Chance or even Mend.

I used to always play BazeMaz since Spirit's release and switched to this immediately after Legacies came out. So from experience, you need to make it all about speed and power and go for broke early. No game should reach round 4.

@MiO I don't know what metagame you've been playing in where Scruffy Looking Nerf-Herder isn't one of the best silver bullet cards available, but it isn't the competitive Legacies meta.

Support removal is very solid when you aren't paying for it. Repeatable and reusable removal is bread and butter, and should under no circumstances be replaced with conditional cards like Electroshock that have to be paid for in the moment in a deck that needs to make every resource count.

On cost - Long Con and Crackdown are too conditional, and as discussed above, I'm currently testing Truce in the same slot that Smuggler's Run currently occupies.

Second Chance has no place in a deck like this, where the Maz is a support character.

While I respect the fact that you've played the archetype for a while, I've spent months refining this on TTS with some of the best players in the world, and while it's by no means a Tier 1 Powerhouse, it's a very very solid deck as is, and you're just playing it wrong.

@Tybrid Well, I tend not to focus on what's meta. I just run what works for a fast kill. If you run these two correctly, your opponent's hand won't matter for Scruffy Looking. Also, reusable removal shouldn't really come up bc you should win by round 3 and by round 4, you should be 1 die resolve from a win. Also, if Maz is solely support, there's an issue. Even with just one weapon on her, she's a threat. I'm not saying you're playing wrong or that this a bad build. I'm just saying you're missing out. I haven't used yours very much, yet, and either way I haven't lost with it. I just find it to be a little inefficient.

@MiO “your opponent’s hand won’t matter”. Unless your opponent has The Price of Failure, Leadership, Feint, Never Tell Me The Odds, Hyperspace Jump... I mean the list practically goes on. Mind you all of the above cards can nearly one turn kill either of these characters (round 1 even) aside from Jump which just ended your turn.

@MiOalso confused how he’s not getting use out of Docking Bay - Finalizer. He has 3 removal supports he can recycle with it. Docking Bay with Honor Guard is an EAW staple. Add in Suppression Field which can pull of a Maul’s Saber or resistance bomber. Then come back out at the end of the round for 1 resource.

@borghe, most decks that use those cards (with the exception of Jump and Never Tell...) are too slow to avoid removal, and this deck, with real weapons it, can go blow for blow with any of them. Also, jump, cool, since my dice are already probably resolved, a lot you did there (for 3 resources).

I faced all of those. Still haven't run into much trouble. (Aside from Big Vader interestingly enough. He's been my biggest hurdle).

@borghe There are just better battlefields, and in this particular case (as in specifically this team), support removal really isn't as useful. You shouldn't have more than two opportunities to use the battlefield so recycling isn't that big, either. Hasty Exit is better in this case, plus, with infamous, you can play it and keep going.

@MiO “too slow to avoid removal”... umm. That is literally the point of brOTK. Spend your turn removing all of their big scary dice just so they can Leadership and The Price of Failure and PA Maul's Lightsaber to kill either of your characters turn 1.

and there are only two characters here making maul’s PA even more difficult to avoid, making it even more critical to stop those double or triple activations on Sister.

Or using nerf herder to actually discard maul’s saber itself turn 1.

@MiO What weapons are "Real Weapons"?. Right now it has 3 of the 4 best weapons in the game for it's colors, along with Auto Cannon

With how fast this deck is moving did you try fitting a Planetary Uprising? If you manage to fit truce I think it’s playable. No idea what you would cut tho

@Tybrid Rocket Launcher. And possibly thernal det, but there's obvious problems with that. I recently tried it out and worked better than expected tho. The special can be devastating and the reusable discard with Maz can help.

@borghe By fast, I mean doing things in one turn before your opponent can go. Easy Pickings and Defensive can really hurt the droids and Maul's because they can't resolve right away. Recently started facing it, and that's where i tried out thermal det. The ability really hurts them and the 2 discard can stop the combo.

@Tybrid If this deck can be tier 1, we'll find a way! At this rate, we'll have a pro-con list for every card in the game by the end of the week. You may have unintentionally created a go-to resource for all things redyellow hero!

@MiO Please publish a decklist to share alternatives. You currently have no published decklists so we cannot compare. Thanks.

@cjnj193 I did for a little while, but I wasn't a huge fan of the time it cost me to play it, additionally it pushes your opponent to claim faster, which makes the removal suite in this deck less functional.

@MiO Rocket Launcher would probably be a viable alternative to Auto Cannon, but it has a lower ceiling. I see no way to put Thermal Detonator in this deck to any effective use. The reason it doesn't see any competitive play is because it's damage is a net resource loss, which is always bad.

@Tybrid Oh, I didn't mean replace Auto Cannon. I meant run both. Getting 3 red weapons down can outright end the game when you're rolling out and resolving same turn. And I hear you with thermal det. I thought the same way, but then I put it in. It is WAY better than advertised. Don't dismiss it without an attempt.